Histamine Intolerance – I think I am getting close to the mark!

Doctors don’t know shit!

Hi Pam and Danuta – I think you guys may be more interested in this – perhaps the guys … I don’t really know.  I am going to try a low histamine diet more hard core.  Also refereed to as a paleo diet.  The key word is histamine intolerance and something that may be a factor in those eating a healthy diet, yet still struggling to get better.

Although this may not be the case – for however in my case, I think it’s defiantly worth a try. Here is an interesting link I found:
http://paleoleap.com/histamines/

Even before I had my gall bladder taken out, I had the odd red patches about my body.  A dermatitis of sorts, however since my bodies break down after the epidemic with the scabies, I still suffer the hive like blistering and lumpy welts/rash breakouts that itch very much – (as I keep saying)

I am sure the poison I used to combat the scabies has affected me and played a large roll in this ongoing problem, however it is not enough for me to simply write it off like that.  Just as I have now discovered spinach is on the restricted food list for a low histamine diet – I have to consider all the possibility, such as no gall bladder and my past chronic substance abuse that taxed my liver like so.

Fact – excess histamines can result from poor liver function … something to do with insufficient methylation in the digestion process.
Methylation and Histamine
http://www.carahealth.com/health-conditions-a-to-z/digestive-system/liver/240-the-sluggish-liver-explained.html?lang=en
(seven sub titles down)

I hope I am not boring you guys – just waiting for my video to compress and then upload.  I need to learn this stuff!!!  You know – the doctors I see, don’t really care to look this in depth and don’t ask nearly enough questions to show they care.  Not one blood test.  All the GP could tell me after a biopsy coming back inconclusive was to wait for an appointment to see a specialist $$$$.  Did not even bother to check my levels with a blood test.  Pffft … this is what I have to deal with.

Anyways – even some herbal tea is on the restricted list “early on” in a low histamine diet, but many of the foods on that list, are not meant to be dogma/indoctrinated or taboo! – it’s merely a list of foods that are known to or high on the list for foods that created histamines.  Some of these foods like fish create histamines before they are ingested – many do so in the storing process – a fermentation process so I have read – some of this I think with herbal teas must be what happens with the poor liver function and poor methylation that may take place with certain substances.  Herbal Tea – that’s a hard one for me to cop – but I must approach this from a scientific perspective and work my way through the list.

apparently after being on a hard core restrictive list for one month, then one can slowly introduce certain healthy foods back into their diet such as lemons and limes – even spinach I guess.  I am assuming the point is to see if the gut has re-establish a healthy bacterium level and that perhaps for people like me who have livers that have to work extra harder to do no bile duct/gall bladder (and previously abused body parts) – that sufficient methylation (that part of the digestion process) is taking place.

The reason I have learned about that specific part of the digestion process is simply because I know I have liver issues – I also have kidney issues from near renal failure in the past, however not being medicated – plenty of filtered water and no tap water was my order on that.  I can also research diet specific to that and have since found Zuchini Juice to be good for that as I am sure is for other things – NOTE … I have to cross reference though like one might when taking more than one medicine so as not to create some risk or present a trigger for other body parts when taking one specific for another.

Such is my situation and my approach as I fine tune my Healthy Eating.  I can see this approach is going to have me eating healthy one way or the other for quite some time now and I really have no inclination to go back to eating poison either.  I feel like I did when I gave up smoking – although a lot more complex 🙂
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Big day tomorrow – is the beginning of my three day work out routine that I now do. I do lights weights (dumbbells) for a total body workout on days 1 and 3.  I do cardio on my elliptical on days 1,2 and 3 with a rest day on the 4th with NO working out at all.   The cardios sessions on days 1 and 2 (whilst doing weights first) are now 30 minute sessions with alternating intensities and day 3 the same but 45 minutes and now weights.  I do this in the mornings before breakfast on an empty stomach (avoids the digestion and possible histamine issues with exercising with food in my gut – however I will be digging tomorrow after breakfast -Hmmmm)

Anyways – is all a plan – despite the ongoing histamine issues – the itching and welting rashes; I am getting stronger and slowly losing the bad weight.

That’s a wrap for this rant tonight.  Hope all you all have a good day. 🙂

Just found more foods on the restricted list – Ginger and Peppermint – Oh Boy … heheh lol … I will find an alternative somehow.

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Found something more:

Once formed, histamine is either stored or broken down by an enzyme. Histamine in the central nervous system is broken down primarily by histamine N-methyltransferase (HMT), while histamine in the digestive tract is broken down primarily by diamine oxidase (DAO). Though both enzymes play an important role in histamine break down, theAmerican Society for Clinical Nutrition found that DAO is the main enzyme responsible for breaking down ingested histamine. So if you’re deficient in DAO, you likely have symptoms of histamine intolerance.

I note the medication I pasted myself with SEVERAL times was a NUROTOXIN!!!!! Whilst the digestive tract plays a more primary role, the methyltransferase in my case must of taxed my liver beyond its capability creating the proposed histamine intolerance I am thinking about.  Makes perfect sense given my medical history.  Hmmmm – sounds about right to me.  I must definitely concentrate in refining my diet to a low histamine one.  So far spinach, canned food, kidney beans, ginger and peppermint must go and more low histamine foods must be sort, before I can rule otherwise.

More information about causes to histamine intolerance:

Causes of Low DAO

  • Gluten intolerance
  • Leaky gut
  • SIBO
  • DAO-blocking foods: alcohol, energy drinks, and tea
  • Genetic mutations (common in people of Asian-descent)
  • Inflammation from Crohn’s, ulcerative colitis, and inflammatory bowel disease.
  • Medications:
    • Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen, aspirin)
    • Antidepressants (Cymbalta, Effexor, Prozac, Zoloft)
    • Immune modulators (Humira, Enbrel, Plaquenil)
    • Antiarrhythmics (propanolol, metaprolol, Cardizem, Norvasc)
    • Antihistamines (Allegra, Zyrtec, Benadryl)
    • Histamine (H2) blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac)

 

Very very interesting – I also developed heightened dermatitis issues after being on antidepressants for quite some time.  WOW is all I can say – this makes a lot of sense.

Website for this information at:
Everything You Need To Know About Histamine Intolerance
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-11175/everything-you-need-to-know-about-histamine-intolerance.html

Night Night – ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Dave 🙂

 

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7 thoughts on “Histamine Intolerance – I think I am getting close to the mark!

  1. Hi Dave,
    Dam that sounds like one tough diet but hey if it gets rid of whats ailing you i would do it. I ment to PM you on a news clip i saw about a study on the benifits of a 3 day fast and what the body does after the fast. I will try and find a link for you but you may find it by a quick google. Peace dave to you and your family. Oh yea, hows the grandchild doing?

  2. Hey John – I would be interested in that story. Thanks. I will Google later.

    Grand child is OK, as I have checked on my daughter to see how she is feeling. All comes down to my daughters state of mind. I don’t like this guy she is with, He belts his kids by holding one arm whilst they are suspended and uses a violent tone whilst beating. My wife reported seeing this as his method of control whilst she was in the hospital. He also uses the word BASH to threated his son to get him in the shower.

    My wife had talked to my daughter as I. She is never to allow this treatment of her child. (I would ring welfare, however this threatens my daughter as the government knows not how to draw a line – welfare officers do more damage than good to families)

    Anyways – He also tell my daughter things like it’s not her house. She is not on the lease, but I think that is good, only because we want her out of there. It goes on from there and also the dick head has a friend that moved in because he lost his job and home … bla bla bla. There has alos been issues with no food in the fridge! Grrrrr

    So that’s about the state of that — HOWEVER I must stress – we can not go pass total judgment other than support our daughter, advise her not to allow this fuck to touch her child with such a tone or in any threatening manner. She seems more independent now having her child and my wife is guiding her on becoming more of a independent women and we have a room at the ready.

    I have to take a bake seat, lest I have a mental break down over it all – So in saying that, my daughter also knows I am at the ready to get her out of there at a moments notice with plans and all items on stand by – Fact is, she might turn this dickhead around, have a lasting relationship and the kid grow up OK …

    It’s a perspective thing and also requires tact from a distance. That’s about the size of that.

    Thanks for asking … I go make a vid, whilst I start DIGGING!!!!!

  3. It is very good you ready take her in, she must know that. She is not alone and it counts:)
    Very interesting reading about histamine intolerance. You just make me think…….somehow I had no realize you use canned foods. It is huge NO!!!
    Dave beans are easy to cook and can be frozen then. O bought spinach but can not sow it cause it contains the vitamin K, not good for him, ………..
    You know that I was and I am dealing with constant allergies…. eliminate one thing at the time, give yourself a week to see the reaction….one step at the time, one food at the time. We have to also retrain our bodies. It is the most difficult.. Fasting is something which restart the body, it is beneficial as long as you drink some water, add lemon, and rinse your teeth with filtered water after drinking lemon water. No many people do it and they regret it.
    What a journey my friend…

  4. you can double post all you want 🙂 – Lemon is not used in a low histamine diet – that is a BASE diet. My BASE diet must eliminate all histamine foods for one month and then I introduce each food type slowly in order to identify what works for me.
    Thing to consider, what may not work now, may very work OK later once my body “resets” as you say.

    Lemon is on the restricted list for now – I don’t like it – but I am cutting all histamine causing foods out completely – or as completely as the list can make it. I hear what you are saying though. perhaps watered down it is not so bad.

    Perhaps when fasting it is OK – I don’t know … but I am interested, however fasting during intesne work may not be a good idea at this point? Although I am tempted – I may fast and just not workout for three days and take my time in the garden ???

  5. I like lemon Juice and had a reaction to the green juice tonight – so you know what I did – I fried up up 4 eggs – flipped them over and cooked some more, toasted some gluten free bread and it was AWESOME!!!!! my body immediately relaxed an my reaction calmed down straight away!!!!

    I think It’s time I returned to some of my older diet, but still eat healthy. I might start steaming some veggies as well. I’ll seriously consider fasting, but not just now as I started the garden and my Son too has finally started helping.

    I’m back on my peppermint tea as well – giving up herbal tea was too hard – when the time comes I will fast. I took an anti-histamine pill tonight and will continue a small course of those with a change back to a little gluten free bread and some of the better pastas – maybe even start making my own soups. I don’t think lemon is bad for me –

    Sounds like I am giving in I know – but I need some of these foods to keep going. I am hoping my body will find itself as long as I stay off the sugars, takeaways, and other processed foods – and yes – Canned food it OUT!!!!.- but the high concentrates of juicing has served it’s purpose for now … again – bad reaction tonight … time for a change … back to eggs on toast – bananas and oats – with chicken and rice …

    Whatever Dave .. ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  6. Hi Dave,

    I had to laugh when I saw this post. I came across the website with this diet just yesterday and as I read about histamines and what they do I immediate thought of you. Too bad I was a little slow and didn’t note the website to pass it on to you. Glad I didn’t have to.

    I really like the paleo way of eating and this is primarily how I eat since all this nonsense with me started. I do admit I broke down yesterday and had a piece of strawberry shortcake ( small pound cake slice topped with fresh organic strawberries and whipped cream) and it was delicious, but I paid for it later with horrific bloating. Oh well today I will be back on the wagon.

    About a week ago when my upper right abdomen was all puffed out and painful I was freaking out about liver and gallbladder issues, thankfully the ultrasound came back clean and the puffiness and pain have eased considerably. As did all the blood work, so I am glad there is no apparent issue there. I did however have a lot of trapped gas in my upper GI tract and stomach. I’ve always has difficulties with my stomach. One thing I have found with the juicing is cabbage juice seems to help it a lot. From all the reading I’ve done, cabbage juice is one well documented way to heal the stomach so I’m going to continue with that.

    I was diagnosed with severe adrenal fatigue by my naturopath so there is another problem but that can be remedied with time.

    Anyway, the fried eggs sounds good, may have to have some for breakfast. Another thing with your healthy eating you may want to try is coconut oil for frying. Look up the benefits of this, it is almost miraculous what it can do. It could probably help some with your skin issues.

    Anyway Dave, this is long and I apologize for that. Have a good sleep, I now need to get my boy up out if bed, it’s a challenge with a 14 year old.

    Cheers

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